RE: The user @Acidyo is insistent on destroying our Community - Important Announcement for the FreeCompliments Community!

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valued-customer in FreeCompliments • 23 days ago (edited)

First, you are not the first to suffer unreasonable taxation. Some years ago, shortly after this blockchain had arisen, a massive increase in new users swelled our ranks with ~1m people that began posting, commenting, and voting. Almost all those new users (I was one of them) have now left, driven from the platform by unrestrained taxation that you and your community are presently experiencing.

There is a sound financial reason, which you allude to in your OP above, for doing this. The original ninaminers (Steem tokens were originally created by mining) had complete control of governance of the platform because they had the vast majority of stake, and voting for witnesses is stake weighted. By controlling the most tokens, they controlled the witnesses, and the witnesses controlled the code. The distribution of tokens to the new users threatened to reduce the majority stake of the ninjaminers, and that threatened their control of governance, which threatened their income from the rewards pool.

Read this, and you will understand the way that downvotes (taxation) maintain control of the blockchain by the oligarchy on Hive.

https://peakd.com/hive/@khrom/why-downvotes-contradict-decentralization-a-mathematical-perspective

I hope you fare better than the vast majority of new users on Hive, who choose to leave when taxed 100% of their earnings here by oligarchs such as Acidyo.

Thanks!

Edit: I have tipped you because from your description of Acidyo's intentions and actions towards you, I expect him to DV (tax) away 100% of the upvotes on your post. He cannot tax tips. Please consider that mechanism going forward, and add it to the discussions your community undertake regarding your future on Hive. Tips are not taxable events, and can, as I have here, be used to encourage and reward Hive posts and comments without being subject to downvotes.

23 days ago in FreeCompliments by valued-customer

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freecompliments 23 days ago

Tipping is a mechanism that we forget far too often, myself included!

Indeed, the logic as you described makes perfect sense, hence why I mentioned that the early users have the greatest benefit. The mechanism of ninjamining tokens makes it even more potent, as they may not have bought into their high stake like later users did.

Appreciate this input. I simply hope that he'll eventually leave the community alone. I don't mind a "tax" on my own personal earnings as long as the community thrives.

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dreamtales (1) 22 days ago

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pharesim 22 days ago

What a wild jump from countering vote buying to taxation. Allow yourself to think outside of the box you put yourself in for a second maybe?

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valued-customer 22 days ago

DV's are how taxation can be managed on Hive. The power to tax is not reserved on Hive to an official government as in other polities, but is enjoyed by everyone with any stake. DV's are both taxation, and censorship. Any claim they are not simply rejects the accepted definitions of those terms.

While vote buying is surely a thing to be avoided, circle jerks and botnets have been a feature of Hive from the beginning, and these practices exist on a spectrum that few have not participated in at least by simply persistently upvoting their friends and content that reliably tickles their fancy, and enjoying reciprocation. There is at least one bidbot in operation today on Hive, or was last year when I encountered a disgruntled customer who had been blackballed by it.

There is a degree of interest in the affairs of others on Hive that is beneficial to it, to the community, and that promotes a robust and durable platform, and there is an inquisitory interference and controlling interest that destroys the community and reduces it to what is easily controllable by an oligarchy. That interest also exists on a spectrum and has far too wildly veered towards the latter. The results of DV programs that zero out earnings permanently have eliminated 99.9% of human users that have ever come to this platform. The majority of stake on this platform is consequently held by you and the ninjamining oligarchy to this day, which is how you want it.

Sooner or later you will move on in life, or from life itself, and your prudential interest in the platform will subside. The rest of the community will continue to seek to thrive and persist when that happens, and your personal control of them will no longer be potential. IMHO it would be better if you and the other oligarchs on Hive allowed for changes to governance that precluded pure plutocratic control prior to moving on so that Hive could become the voluntarist governance mechanism potential to humanity today, but no one cares what I think.

Either Hive will supersede plutocracy, or it will succumb to it, in due time. I encourage you to consider enabling Hive to supersede it while you can. Failure is the default option, and I hope you prefer Hive succeeds you.

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pharesim 22 days ago (edited)

Everyone is taxed by inflation. We have the option to influence who our tax is going to, using up- and downvotes. I do not want my taxes to go to someone who paid someone else for it.

"While vote buying is surely a thing to be avoided" - and that's what this all is about, nothing else.

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valued-customer 22 days ago

"...that's what this all is about, nothing else."

Ya'll have maintained control of governance for 8 years now. It's hard not to notice when you're doing it. I understand you did reach out to them, and seem to have found them contrary to your interests. At least you tried.

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pharesim 22 days ago

Huh? You're way too far into your conspiracies. I'm not even involved here, just a passer-by stating my opinion.

You keep on yapping about the evil cabal controlling everything here. Don't expect any more serious replies though.

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valued-customer 22 days ago

I'm not talking about evil. I talk about prudence. Try not to put words into my mouth. I say stupid stuff all by myself just fine.

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pharesim 21 days ago (edited)

The use of the word evil here was obviously sarcasm.
The point is that you're assuming that some people would act in coordination based on how much stake they have. That's bullshit. I downvoted acidyo in the past when I thought he's using OCD votes in a way that goes against what I believe.
You're trying to find a group of people controlling things, which just doesn't exist in the way you assume.

You're dealing with individuals, and it's impossible to have a good discussion when you constantly group up people and their goals based on a number.

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valued-customer 21 days ago

"...assuming that some people would act in coordination based on how much stake they have. That's bullshit."

That's just silly. Many people may have no understanding of history, but I am not one of them. People that have similar goals and circumstances continually work together to advance their common interests. It is why corporations, governments, and societies exist. You've been a consensus witness as long as I can remember, and IIRC you were one of the original consensus. You clearly work with folks to manage Hive consistently and well to achieve your mutual interests, or you would have long ago been replaced with someone that would. You personally exemplify exactly what you are claiming doesn't exist.

"The use of the word evil here was obviously sarcasm."

Good. I'd hate to be labeled a 'conspiracy theorist' and demonized as a dissenter just for noticing things that are happening.

Have a great day! Spring has sprung, Narcissus are blooming, buds are blossoming, beauty surrounds us. Enjoy it.

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