The user @Acidyo is insistent on destroying our Community - Important Announcement for the FreeCompliments Community!

in FreeCompliments22 days ago (edited)

The user Acidyo is now attacking our community account, @hive-140084.

Background

I'll provide some basic background: 9 days ago, he posted his concerns about delegation-for-vote projects (i.e. you delegate Hive Power, and in return you receive tokens that come with votes or you simply receive votes). Within that video, he singled me out as an example of using such projects, and painted me in quite a bad light. While he played innocent at the time, it was already clear that he was starting to target me.

I posted this response to his post, explaining how I use these projects to grow the FreeCompliments Community and its members, particularly those who provide quality posts. I also pointed out that older, bigger users like himself benefit more and drain more from the reward pool compared to newer users who might benefit from these types of projects.

We had a discussion about our points of views, and while I opted to try to agree to disagree, the conversation ended in Acidyo behaving like a child and being rude. The hypocrite doesn't like it when someone says that his actions may not be interpreted positively!

This morning, I discovered that he began downvoting my posts. This was annoying, but not such a huge deal.

Subsequently, I discovered that he also downvoted the FreeCompliments Community account. Now this angered me. He did not just target me personally, but now he's going after the community itself!

Based on our conversation, he has no intention of stopping.

There are many people he could have targeted, but by attacking someone who has been building on Hive and trying to help other members grow for 2.5 years, it's clear that Acidyo's intention is not to help Hive, but rather to help himself build "Acidyo's Hive." There are different means to the same end, but Acidyo has not grown up and realized this. It's either his way or the highway. He wants to grow his project OCD and curate only the way he wants to curate so that he can maintain control and continue benefitting from the reward pool.

It is also not the first time he has done this - it has happened before I entered the blockchain. This is the action of a selfish bully who wants to control the Hive chain and the reward pool. This is not the action of someone interested in seeing the blockchain thrive. His actions prove that he is a destructive force.

What does the @hive-140084 account actually do?

If you take a look at the delegation list for @hive-140084, you'll see that there are delegations, in order of decreasing size, to Ecency (this gives us Ecency points which are used to promote posts, and also for Ecency to give us a delegation which we use for curation purposes), followed by EDS-vote (this does give out a token which is associated with a small upvote), followed by cryptocompany (we collect the token, but as you can see, there are no votes from them at this time), ua-promoter (no votes from them, as they vote on Ukraine-related content), legionsupport (this does come with a token that's associated with a small upvote), tokenpimp (this is primarily for the PIMP token and has a very small upvote), leo.voter (we receive LEO tokens from this, not upvotes), neoxiancityvb (we receive NEOXAG tokens from this but haven't used them for voting).

Most of the rewards come from HSBI, followed by neoxiancityvb (which I'm funding from my own stash of NEOXAG tokens), followed by BroFi (notice there's no delegation), followed by legionsupport and eds-vote (these two combine to about $1). There are also a entire host of votes coming from people who are on the curation trail for the community and/or have the community account on automatic voting.

Thus, the community account is definitely not abusing delegation-to-vote projects. They make up a minority of the delegation power and earnings that hive-140084 receives. Meanwhile, Acidyo's downvote (along with one of his colleagues) is erasing double-to-triple that amount from every post.

It's also pertinent to mention that I have run all pertinent decisions by the community before implementing them, and have cleared this community's activities with the owners of projects. This has not been done on my own whim, but rather on a large consensus, which is how a community should function.

Aside from direct curation, earnings from hive-140084 are primarily directed towards giving out HSBI to our community members, as well as to our curator. Particularly for new and growing accounts, this motivates them to continue creating new content. It's an alternate form of curation that's not directly from hive-140084, but still helps them grow. Why would you want to destroy this?

What can we do about this?

As Acidyo is currently unwilling to stop attacking the community, I see only two options here: either we attack back in kind, or the FreeCompliments Community will simply have to cease its rewards. I'm aggressively willing to go in either direction because I am adamant about my integrity in using the aforementioned projects in a manner that's both beneficial to the community and to its members. I will be stubborn about this. If someone comes up with an alternate solution (aside from succumbing to Acidyo's whims), I will of course consider it because I am open to different solutions.

  • The option to retaliate is not one which I like, but downvoting in kind may trigger him to reconsider his own actions. For those interested, I am creating a downvote trail against his own project, OCD. I'm not actually starting it until I get consensus from the community.

  • The other option would involve me leaving the blockchain, which frankly may be a good option for my mental well-being. A single downvote from him per post isn't going to destroy me financially, but knowing that the community is under persistent attack is not something that I want to deal with on a long-term basis.

  • There are discussions going on among different projects right now about how to approach this entire situation. Thus, we can continue our current activity and see whether there will be a resolution. I don't entirely like this option because it's rather passive, and I feel we should be more active in defending the community.

One thing which virtually everybody can do is reblog this post. They should be aware of what Acidyo is doing - how destructive his actions are to the blockchain. While we should be helping each other build, he aims to destroy others in favor of himself. This is not what the Hive community should be about.

Additionally, if you disagree with his actions on principle but you delegate stake to OCD, poshtoken, or zingtoken, both of which are his projects, undelegate your stake. It's worth noting that these projects also engage in self-voting and draining the reward pool for hundreds of dollars per day. Pure hypocrisy!

Personally, if this is not resolved soon, I'll likely liquidate my funds and leave the blockchain on a social level (I'd only use the HBD savings feature). While most of the people here are wonderful, I've already been through the pain of losing the same community on Reddit once, albeit for a different reason, and this is not an episode I'd like to repeat again. Besides, once I complete residency and start my new job in a few months, time spent posting here would technically come at a large financial loss for me compared to working more at my job, a factor which I must weigh in my decision.

Conclusion

Our community is under attack by a Hive whale, Acidyo, who wishes to run Hive only in his own way, and in a manner that ultimately benefits him as an older stakeholder. We must decide how to approach this, as a community. I'd love to hear your opinions about our next course of action. I'm not making any snap decisions until I hear from you guys, since you are what makes FreeCompliments come to life.

Despite my anger, I'd also encourage you to not directly attack him in any way. We're better than this.

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You are literally buying votes for your posts, I don't know how you're trying to defend your actions but I'm done being nice about it at this point.

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https://he.dtools.dev/tx/b863c66c3d7d414f55dc5653b366f81c9ec72a2c

Selfvoting this for visibility and burning comment post rewards.

@freecompliments

neoxiancityvb (we receive NEOXAG tokens from this but haven't used them for voting).

Oh, really?

Then why are you sending vote requests to the bot daily? Stop Lying!

You are doing 4 minimum/no effort posts daily. I wonder why? Oh, wait! Just to get those automated votes 4 times a day.

https://peakd.com/@hive-140084/posts
https://peakd.com/@freecompliments/posts
https://peakd.com/@fc-rewards/posts
https://peakd.com/@fc-curation/posts

That is really sick!

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I literally wrote within the same sentence that I used my own NEOXAG tokens for those, the ones that I earned on this account from my delegation. I didn't use the community account's NEOXAG for this.

That does constitute a difference: that I'm contributing to the community account. Using the neoxiancityvb does not automatically mean self-voting, it's just choosing which post to upvote in exchange for NEOXAG.

I appreciate the specifics, and everyone here trying to keep the conversation productive.

I think its healthy for the ecosystem to have these discussions, it does seem as if some of these services have gone "too far", and then with layering....

But - it was "peace time", people did things, built "services". And some more creative than others it seems.

For me, we should consider a few things

  1. the opposite of peace doesn't need to be war, it could be productive discussion about the appropriate limits to the behaviors for what we do with our own money/stake.
  2. details matter - there are good, creative, math based programs out there doing as good or better (than people manually clicking) at finding users, supporting decentralized curation and using Hive Power.
  3. I personally do not agree with this, but it must be noted that "downvotes are violence" is a prevalent thought, still to this day.

all in all - you started the conversation. So, let's ALL talk about it!

Hive = Votes, no reason for it to be so mysterious.

MOAR podcasts!

Hive = Votes

okay but votes don't always equal curation, this could be said about autovoting, blind voting and vote trading and there's issues with all of them to a certain degree. The bigger issue is however vote buying, you offer something that's not the content you've produced, the effort you've put into the chain or other "labor" related value to a service/stakeholder/account to get them to give you a vote. You're getting less than 50% rewards from that vote because you paid for it with something else that had value hive/tokens and that voter gets more than 50% of the vote so he's now earning more than other stakeholders and the author may not have gotten the vote in the first place had they not paid for it - win-win for those 2 parties and lose-lose for others.

I like it way better when ideas are the ones doing the "fighting!"

I really do need to work today hahaha, but I will do my best on all sides to "set a productive tone" around this whole thing.

These are old ideas, just cause no one's bothered to tell some of these projects to lay off with such activity until now doesn't mean it's something innovative and experimental when we've been through it many times before and can quite literally see what would happen if we'd let it grow: https://steemit.com/trending

Acidyo! You have no idea how close to home this hits with me!

This is literally "bespoke building" , just in an idea sense! This is my bread and butter!

If we going to do something, and it "fails" - at least lets learn the lessons!

ok, idk about everybody else, but I feel strongly that OPEN COMMUNICATION is good, needs to happen and is now happening. (moar podcasts hehehe)

Well done, @acidyo:


Source: CMC on Hive webpage

Brilliant "work" like this ensures the Hive blockchain will continue to fade away, as it has been since I decided it was a good idea to begin publishing content in 2018.

Followed years later by "voting" with my feet and removing approximately $30,000 in value from this blockchain. As stated many times, during those years, I was capable of having a much higher stake.

Not only is that opportunity past, I personally have advised against investing into this blockchain, within the network of investors with whom I have some influence.

You cannot make a credible case any clear-minded investor would put their hard-earned money at risk, by investing into value destroying behavior like what you have initiated. Only made possible by what is inherently a fundamentally (fatally, I would argue) flawed design.

I am trying to understand your interest in hive blockchain:)

According to you; you already sold. We collectively pushed you out. So be it.

If hive fades away or not, please tell me how is it any of your business anymore? If I were you, I would not worry about these useless mundane things and focus on retirement hobbies. Just saying.

Why? Why have you chosen to invest your valuable time in asking me this question?

Look. I have known you for a while. You are a nice gentleman.

If you want to be involved, do so. But you can't have any impact here without a stake. That is the way this place is.

It is all upto you. I personally don't care about empty words like:

mass adoption

value add

I could have brought 10 people

I invested $30K, and now I am out

None of these mean anything to me. I have heard these a lot of times from a lot of people. This is all part of a playbook.

So do whatever you please, but don't expect anyone will listen to you or that you will make a slightest bit of difference.

You have freedom of speech. Talk/write all you want.

Good, @azircon. In extracting this:

"You have freedom of speech. Talk/write all you want."

Some common ground, upon which we can agree.

 18 days ago Reveal Comment

also since we are on this particular user's blog (who I do not know and clueless about his problem): yet I predicted this 14 hours ago

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and here is the popular and predictable "end of the road" post :)

https://peakd.com/hive-140084/@freecompliments/this-is-the-end-of-the-road-9dy

Damn! I hate to be right all the time!

PS. This is why I all this a 'playbook'.

Appreciate your words, Rob. It's interesting how acidyo labels me as a the abuser when his own poshtoken is upvoting its own spam comments for hundreds of dollars per day, while I'm actually using the funds the community account earns to help others build with HSBI. Yes, I understand their point about "buying votes" but at least it was being used to help other members. Now, this will no longer be the case.

I'm leaving the social part of the blockchain.

Cling on to the poshtoken branch, I'm sure it's hard to grasp what those rewards are used to when you don't try. hint: it's doing more for this ecosystem than most communities on hive do.

There's tons of reasons to want to buy hive stake and use it well in the form of curation and attention. Take a look at @theycallmedan who has bought millions of Hive and curates responsibly, no one has an issue with how he uses his stake and he's built many tools and services and big projects that may drive hive forward in many ways and the community respects and rewards him in many different ways.

He's not selling votes however nor buying votes. How is that difficult to comprehend?

I don't know your full history as to what made you leave hive, I glanced at the post you linked mentions of hivewatchers and they may not be perfect, no one is, but blatantly ignoring the one thing that makes hive unique and abusing it for your own gain and pointing towards people trying to combat such activity for the health of the platform as the reason token price is dropping is straight up delusion. Best of luck.

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Attacking my integrity as a community builder, then proceeding to destroy the earnings of the FC community account because you have a problem with me is being nice? You literally set out to destroy myself and my community. If you think this is nice, then you seriously lack some basic understanding of social skills.

But go ahead and keep patting yourself on the back as you continue destroying communities on Hive in favor of centralizing control for yourself and your small group of Hive friends. This is a big part of the reason that the community aspect of Hive is failing. You don't even realize how many people you chase away. It's such a shame too, because Hive could truly thrive.

There's a definite intermediate between Steem and how you've approached this entire situation. You've chosen the extreme method - to destroy. You're not innocent, and only those friends of yours who benefit the same way you do will come to your defense.

Ait you're repeating yourself at this point, I gave you enough time to react and reconsider, you wanted to continue buying votes (as you did even on this post ironically). I'm not going to beg people to stop being greedy and shit on the one thing that makes this place stand out. If you can't handle that and don't wanna accept getting returns from curation rewards and look to earn the author rewards in legitimate ways then good riddance.

Is Inleo on your radar?

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buying votes is wrong, just buy some Hive or get some free delegations and self vote your own automated posts, this is the proper way to do it.

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Are you seriously defending a major account upvoting its own spam comments for hundreds of dollars? That's absolutely theft of the reward system. It's embarrassing that this is used as an example of "good behavior."

I did purchase all my own stake and I delegate it out how I wish. I don't upvote my own comments and reap hundreds of dollars like this.

Acidyo is concerned for a few dollars earned by delegation-to-vote projects while stealing hundreds of dollars per day through much larger accounts, as in this example. Hypocrisy at its finest.


Edit: not my finest moment lol! @enginewitty pointed out that this was probably sarcasm. Now it's obvious to me. Silly me.

Was being sarcastic methinks. That's how I interpret it. Was calling him out not patting his back.

Dang it, that one flew right by me. You're right. Usually I'm better at catching sarcasm!

You really wanna jump on this train mate?

Nah, just thought it was funny, y'all have fun. I'll come listen in on the podcast thingy.

What's funny? you voting up a comment accusing me of cheating the reward pool for my own gain? Do you really wanna touch on that considering what you do with your pimp token?

Are you threatening me? Didn't say you cheated, nobody cheats as they are allowed to use their stake and assets as they wish and everything is on chain. Don't take it so personal.

Vote buying is clearly cheating, what do you think I'm doing here if it wasn't that serious? Just wasting my time to downvote random idiots?

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oh wow you got me, how was I so stupid to call out curation abuse when I was trying to get away with all those comment rewards, dang you transparent blockchain you've ruined my scam attempts!

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that guy has centralized Hive, when you find all his accounts it becomes clear. He also was a key part to help destroy the only Unreal game being built on Hive, just before he launched his game he accused us of being scammers even with 3 playable games and 2 transacting onchain.

Ah yes, I do remember this actually! PsyberX, if I recall correctly.

Pure destruction of projects that he did not think of himself. He brings himself to the top by bringing others down. It's a shameful way to live.

First, you are not the first to suffer unreasonable taxation. Some years ago, shortly after this blockchain had arisen, a massive increase in new users swelled our ranks with ~1m people that began posting, commenting, and voting. Almost all those new users (I was one of them) have now left, driven from the platform by unrestrained taxation that you and your community are presently experiencing.

There is a sound financial reason, which you allude to in your OP above, for doing this. The original ninaminers (Steem tokens were originally created by mining) had complete control of governance of the platform because they had the vast majority of stake, and voting for witnesses is stake weighted. By controlling the most tokens, they controlled the witnesses, and the witnesses controlled the code. The distribution of tokens to the new users threatened to reduce the majority stake of the ninjaminers, and that threatened their control of governance, which threatened their income from the rewards pool.

Read this, and you will understand the way that downvotes (taxation) maintain control of the blockchain by the oligarchy on Hive.

https://peakd.com/hive/@khrom/why-downvotes-contradict-decentralization-a-mathematical-perspective

I hope you fare better than the vast majority of new users on Hive, who choose to leave when taxed 100% of their earnings here by oligarchs such as Acidyo.

Thanks!

Edit: I have tipped you because from your description of Acidyo's intentions and actions towards you, I expect him to DV (tax) away 100% of the upvotes on your post. He cannot tax tips. Please consider that mechanism going forward, and add it to the discussions your community undertake regarding your future on Hive. Tips are not taxable events, and can, as I have here, be used to encourage and reward Hive posts and comments without being subject to downvotes.

Tipping is a mechanism that we forget far too often, myself included!

Indeed, the logic as you described makes perfect sense, hence why I mentioned that the early users have the greatest benefit. The mechanism of ninjamining tokens makes it even more potent, as they may not have bought into their high stake like later users did.

Appreciate this input. I simply hope that he'll eventually leave the community alone. I don't mind a "tax" on my own personal earnings as long as the community thrives.

 22 days ago Reveal Comment

What a wild jump from countering vote buying to taxation. Allow yourself to think outside of the box you put yourself in for a second maybe?

DV's are how taxation can be managed on Hive. The power to tax is not reserved on Hive to an official government as in other polities, but is enjoyed by everyone with any stake. DV's are both taxation, and censorship. Any claim they are not simply rejects the accepted definitions of those terms.

While vote buying is surely a thing to be avoided, circle jerks and botnets have been a feature of Hive from the beginning, and these practices exist on a spectrum that few have not participated in at least by simply persistently upvoting their friends and content that reliably tickles their fancy, and enjoying reciprocation. There is at least one bidbot in operation today on Hive, or was last year when I encountered a disgruntled customer who had been blackballed by it.

There is a degree of interest in the affairs of others on Hive that is beneficial to it, to the community, and that promotes a robust and durable platform, and there is an inquisitory interference and controlling interest that destroys the community and reduces it to what is easily controllable by an oligarchy. That interest also exists on a spectrum and has far too wildly veered towards the latter. The results of DV programs that zero out earnings permanently have eliminated 99.9% of human users that have ever come to this platform. The majority of stake on this platform is consequently held by you and the ninjamining oligarchy to this day, which is how you want it.

Sooner or later you will move on in life, or from life itself, and your prudential interest in the platform will subside. The rest of the community will continue to seek to thrive and persist when that happens, and your personal control of them will no longer be potential. IMHO it would be better if you and the other oligarchs on Hive allowed for changes to governance that precluded pure plutocratic control prior to moving on so that Hive could become the voluntarist governance mechanism potential to humanity today, but no one cares what I think.

Either Hive will supersede plutocracy, or it will succumb to it, in due time. I encourage you to consider enabling Hive to supersede it while you can. Failure is the default option, and I hope you prefer Hive succeeds you.

Everyone is taxed by inflation. We have the option to influence who our tax is going to, using up- and downvotes. I do not want my taxes to go to someone who paid someone else for it.

"While vote buying is surely a thing to be avoided" - and that's what this all is about, nothing else.

"...that's what this all is about, nothing else."

Ya'll have maintained control of governance for 8 years now. It's hard not to notice when you're doing it. I understand you did reach out to them, and seem to have found them contrary to your interests. At least you tried.

Huh? You're way too far into your conspiracies. I'm not even involved here, just a passer-by stating my opinion.

You keep on yapping about the evil cabal controlling everything here. Don't expect any more serious replies though.

I'm not talking about evil. I talk about prudence. Try not to put words into my mouth. I say stupid stuff all by myself just fine.

The use of the word evil here was obviously sarcasm.
The point is that you're assuming that some people would act in coordination based on how much stake they have. That's bullshit. I downvoted acidyo in the past when I thought he's using OCD votes in a way that goes against what I believe.
You're trying to find a group of people controlling things, which just doesn't exist in the way you assume.

You're dealing with individuals, and it's impossible to have a good discussion when you constantly group up people and their goals based on a number.

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 21 days ago Reveal Comment

Dear Community, our community account has been attacked by a user with significant stake, and he currently has no plans to stop. Please read the post above and let me know your thoughts - and please reblog this post for visbility! The viability of the community's ability to reward its members is at stake.

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(If you were tagged, it’s because you’re an inaugural member – please let me know if you don’t want to be tagged and I’ll stop, pronto!)

Reason?

Check out the post, I outlined everything there. In the shortest summary possible, he doesn't like delegate-to-vote projects, and thus is reducing this community's rewards.

Oh boy here comes the mass tagging.

If you looked at the bottom of that list, you would see that these are all "inaugural members" of the FC community who agreed to be tagged for important community updates.

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Y esto?? Por qué?? No comprendo nada!

And why is that? I don't understand anything, nothing! And what does the user answer?

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Your community's 'business model' does go counter to the 'Proof of Brain' concept which old schoolers like @Acidyo would still, most likely, adhere to. The whole downvoting mechanism needs rework in my opinion; yet until such time your community's actions should expect 'Proof of Brain' to be defended even in these days of AI generated content due to its actions going counter to the 'Proof of Brain' concept.

Good reasoning, but I'd counter it with this: if the community of delegators as a whole agrees with the content that is being voted upon, as well as the amount that is earned, then isn't that still consistent with proof of brain? A possible exception would be if the centralized system goes against the direct interest of its delegators (i.e. upvoting content that the delegators do not want upvoted) - to my understanding, that would be counter to proof of brain, but then can be solved by undelegating.

(If I'm wrong, please do correct!)

My understanding was that if one delegates to the @freecompliments account then they will, in turn, get their content upvoted. That does not factor in the consensus of other delegators by my understanding. Bot voting services of old, on STEEM, ran up against similar opposition in the past. They were run by such witnesses as @therealwolf if memory serves; so this disagreement exists at the highest level of the HIVE food chain.

My feeling is that the real solution would be to rework the downvoting system so that one voice cannot cripple an account or project but simply lend a strong voice for others to join so as to get more of a consensus on the matter.

This is not correct because I'm not a delegation project. I'm someone who uses the delegation projects, which is what the primary gripe was about. He chose to downvote me, and subsequently the community, because I delegate to these projects.

My misunderstanding on how your operation works exactly. Thanks for the clarification.

This situation sucks but you are not alone. I really liked seeing the HSBI community rallying in support of you. It speaks volumes. It seems like there may be a resolution but I hear ya "wait and see' is frustrating. ❤️🦄

Based on the subsequent responses I've seen going around here, it's definitely not going to be resolved in favor of the community at all. Looks like it's over for me and the way I was running FC.

Hey @acidyo I watched your YouTube video. I saw you share your concerns but it is a lot of I don't know. If you don't know how a Project works you don't guess and afirm that they gives upvotes in trade for delegations. You go and search info and the basis of the project and then give an opinion against that project, not again one specific user of that, and then if you go after someone, why not going after the project instead of goin for the users? Now, most of the curation projects don't guaranteed an upvote, is highly probably but not guaranteed, you have to investigate and show off the projects not the users. If the selfvote of some of this projects is what Bothers you, again, you should go after the selfvoters.
Imagine if I say, "hey, you and blokctrades are farming out because you always upvote each other" and then start downvote all the users you upvote. Illogical right??

If you're the curator you should earn most of the post rewards from @fc-rewards, it doesn't make sense for the owner of the accounts to keep 90% if you're the only one putting in effort into curation.

That's the most of what I'll consider discussing about this project again at this time.

That 10% is not the only payment. I receive as well 65 HSBI every month.

Either you have a very short attention span, or selective illiteracy. I've mentioned multiple times that he's also paid in HSBI, which is an arrangement upon which we both agreed before he started in the position of curator.

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It amazes me that this is happening and I am very sorry. In my opinion you should not abandon the blockchain, because you are the representative of a whole community that has taken you to build, at least you do not abandon without fighting, it seems to me that 2 and a half years of interactions and community construction cannot be passed under the table.

I encourage you to keep going, and that all the work done in community is recognized, with the support of all those who feel bad, the different initiatives and interactions, which by the way in enough cases have helped to feel better to many people, including me. I hope it helps you to know that although I do not have a huge stake to be heard, in my 7 years I have seen enough and I know the movements of each of the actors in the blockchain.

Do not allow bad intentions to destroy your project.

I personally enjoy your community, and every time I get public time or interact for there, not as much as I would like because my own healing project consumes me time, but I always spend there, even if I am to greet ... and now I find this, I will honestly take advantage of selling tokens that doesnt have value for me 😀.

Appreciate your kind words and speaking from experience of being here from the beginning! Indeed, I am willing to fight for this community to continue. It's not a battle I want to lose twice, especially on a platform like Hive.

I'm glad to be able to read this, that you know that you are not alone, and that there are many people pending this matter, I hope that this time everything will be reconciled and that the foundations are left to discuss for this same subject does not make sense, I am convinced that sooner or later it will come to that

Keep going on, you can not stop because @acidyo. We also have small community satujiwa, is dedicated for Indonesian who try to make a post in Indonesia language. We have same purpose with you.

For me as long as there is a post or more and it is not plagiat, that is okay. I think it is not about quality or not in Hive now. It is about like or dislike.

In the past there's bernie or berny if I am wrong please correct me. He was like downvote anyone who he was not like. But at the end we used to get it, and then he gone.

Just keep going on, the good intends always get challenge from who do not like it.

Sorry for my bad English! ☺☺☺

Rawe-rawe Rantas malang malang putung! ☺

PS: Jangan balas dendam dengan unvote. You are not person kind like that. Let community know your vision and mission. You have found a good community. God bless you🙏😊

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! If only he would let the community continue functioning, I'd be satisfied with that. I don't want to give up on what has been built.

You are a treasure.

Likewise, thank you for all your support! ❤️

you do a lot of good for the community and people around you. Just keep on doing that!

I'd love to see that, just curate people with stake (and or delegations) like everyone else does and maybe he'll get some additional voting support down the line if it really is about the community - right now it's hard to know if the intentions were good, especially after continued ignorance of the issue and further digging his way at playing victim and trying to point me in a bad light when there's quite literally nothing for me to gain by doing this.

There's a difference between ignorance of an issue and simply having a different opinion on how an alternate form of curation can be used in a beneficial way. You like things your own way, and that's the only way in your view. You can't tolerate other trains of thought. It's a poor personality trait, and it's unfortunate that someone who can easily abuse power (such as you did by using OCD to further destroy the FC community account, which is not related to this argument at all) has such a trait. But hey, life's not fair, is it?

it is very related as you have it doing the same thing you do.

this isn't "my way", downvote mana was quite literally introduced to fight off vote buying and other forms of abuse, it's not just for the usual hivewatcher scope.

You devalue curation and the thing that makes hive unique by buying votes, it's a literal attack on the chain and how distribution of stake is meant to be handled. If you just want consistent returns no matter what you post or if anyone consumes the content go to any of the other PoS or DPoS chains, doing it here just makes those who still try to use curation the way it is meant to be used lose out on returns cause of these schemes you're involved in, and that's not just you but everyone participating in these from buyers/delegators to the voters and sellers.

I want to use these returns to help out newbies. A large portion of what I earn goes to the community accounts. The community accounts (which, by the way, actually don't have much delegated to these projects, as I pointed out in my post) use their earnings to give HSBI to people who post in the community. It's rewarding people using manual curation and this other form of rewards. There's more than one way to approach curation, and this was one that really seemed to vibe with people and keep them coming back. I liked seeing people encouraged by their growing rewards when they put consistent effort over time.

Evidently, having it done your way is more important than actually seeing community activity.

I never denied that there are people who will abuse the delegation projects, but when there's a beneficial use case for them, it should be considered on an individual basis. Imagine that - nuance can exist!

What you do with the rewards doesn't matter much when you receive them in an abusive way towards curation as a whole to begin with. One could also argue why your community should deserve more rewards than anyone else running theirs. Someone with your stake may not be able to reward their community with their votes as much as you do with bought votes. In many ways you're doubling down on the amount of rewards you take from others curating the regular way because you get votes from bought services then offer votes from bought services with the profits.

I can't stress enough that it's one rewards pool and ecosystem, if you make higher returns from a scheme, the scheme makes higher returns from you then you are quite literally taking rewards from others not participating in this. And "this" is growing and the more it grows the worse curation is off and the faster abusers grow compared to those using curation the way it is meant to be used. I'll try simulate this in a post in the future, it's probably a lot of math and may not help make things clearer but I'll give it a go so people can see the longterm effects and exponential pull this has on inflation.

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I was sorry to read this, @freecompliments, but not surprised.

"One thing which virtually everybody can do is reblog this post."

I can do that. I have done that.

Commenting further is not going to be helpful, as I no longer have any stake in this blockchain. For reasons cited a long time ago.

I will be watching, with whatever remaining interest I have, in how your version of more or less the same underlying flaw in Hive plays out.

He was abusing the flaw of buying votes, there's many reasons to having 25% downvote mana respectively to your upvote mana, combating such behavior to not compromise curation is a big reason for it.

Sad to see you leave but I'd appreciate it if you'd look into the issue at hand rather than trusting whatever you read from a post of the abuser.

Do not allow bad intentions to destroy your project!

It's now unfortunately gone beyond the realm of bad intentions. He is intent on zeroing out the posts of the community account, thus there's no way we can sustain HSBI rewards going forward. That's so cruel to the people who would've benefited from their engagement in the future.

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Ah yes, it's no surprise. It's happened time and again. You're not the first one to experience such. We are indeed better than this.

Sadly, it appears this time the FC Community is losing the battle. There's no way we'll be able to provide HSBI rewards any longer.

Yep, that's what usually happens. They only want their own people to run and curate Hive.

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Downvotes are part of the fragility of Hive blog, and one of the reasons I think we're not attracting new users. Everyone is free to vote and downvote on Hive, and of course the power of the richest people makes them believe they're all-powerful - it's the same pattern as in real life. It's very frustrating for small users, but you have an audience and arguments, I support you.

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Yep. Not a surprise. I knew that guy was bad news a long time ago.

Oh no! Free compliment is the only community I post without problems. Others have so many requirements. This is the only reason I am actually staying still on hive. Truth to tell I don't see engagement on other community I post on except here for general posts. I will withdraw on hive too if free compliments community gives up

Hm. Yeah. Why think about his criticism and reflect the issue at hand? Maybe he got a point? Nah, let me write a whole shitpost insulting him and acting like a victim. I'm sure that'll end well.

Come on, this is such a biased comment. I absolutely considered and respected his point of view on manual curation, and openly acknowledged this. Of course there was a point.

However, he simply refused to acknowledge that there could be a positive use case for these same types of projects which actually benefit smaller users. Maybe you should advise him to look at the other side of things?

And I'm not "playing" the victim. he literally started this by using my account in a video for 15 minutes where he painted me in a bad light, then a week later started downvoting the FC Community accounts because he didn't like that I was defending the use of these delegation projects. As much as I dislike using this terminology, what you're doing is literally victim-blaming. He could have just left me alone, but he chose to fight.

Whoever it benefits, small or big, doesn't matter as long as it's a paid service using the common pool for its business model.
If you hadn't bought votes you wouldn't be in this situation. It's not acidyo's fault.

So delegating to a single centralized entity (which votes on whomever it wants, usually within its own community regardless) is better than delegating to another centralized entity which votes on a potentially slightly smaller pool of people? Honestly, we're talking about a small difference in the actual way the votes end up being distributed.

I understand the principle that you guys are talking about here. However, in both cases, you're delegating to a curator whom you trust will curate content properly, even if that includes your own. Sure, I can just not delegate and then upvote myself, but then this takes away the ability for me to use the same projects to help other newer users who also benefit from my delegation.

Anyway, differences in opinions on this will persist. I just don't think it was worth destroying the community account over this when it actually barely engages in this, as I pointed out in the post. Acidyo decided to downvote me and the community account, which was entirely unnecessary and frankly, vindictive.

So delegating to a single centralized entity (which votes on whomever it wants, usually within its own community regardless) is better than delegating to another centralized entity which votes on a potentially slightly smaller pool of people?

It depends. The smaller the pool of vote recipients, the worse. And if there's a tit-for-tat mentality involved it's the worst. Not sure how you don't understand that.

Overdramatizing the effect of his downvotes doesn't make you seem smarter either. He took some rewards you bought, that's it. Get over it.

It's not about my rewards, it's about the community and its rewards. He's effectively removing the ability to continue rewarding members of the community who create posts and engage. That's very counterproductive to what we want when building.

Oh well, so be it.

Nothing is destroyed, a week's worth of bought pending rewards gone, barely $20 in total, I'm sure your community will survive.

Sure, I can just not delegate and then upvote myself,

try that, see how it'll work out of you do it excessively cause in many ways that's all you've been doing lately just through delegating to other accounts

You must define "attack".

The effort to attach a DV of a post to attack will attract DV from me personally.

I haven't downvoted you yet, but unless you can establish what I just asked you above, there will be consequences.

I'm not concerned about his downvoting me, but rather the community accounts. If he has a problem with me, then let him deal with me personally. Destroying the rewards that the community account was receiving was vicious and vindictive. Yes, that is an attack.

Also, your comment is absolutely comical. Stop with the idiotic threats. This is the kind of bullshit that's holding Hive back from being adopted by everyday people. Nobody wants to deal with this bullshit. Render all the "consequences" you desire.

I am asking a simple question:

How is downvoting a post an attack?

Who is the idiot here?

I will add another question how is me asking this a threat?

are you a fucking moron?

I do not engage with rude individuals. Go away.

You made a spam drama post.

Got downvoted.

Now you are on your glorious path of self destruction of your reputation and account.

Do you know how many times I have seen this story unfold? We even have an alternative chain for you guys :)

It’s called blurt ;)

Cheers!

By the way. I don’t know you. Also I have no interest in you.

Keep the drama to a minimum and there is no problem.

Make drama and you will find me.

Now get lost.

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Oh! I almost forgot!

Where is my free compliment?

I have done a lot for hive blockchain:)

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